Иллюстрированный журнал обо всем на свете ([info]drugoi) wrote,
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Защитить "Троицу"


Старший научный сотрудник отдела древнерусского искусства Государственной Третьяковской галереи Левон Нерсесян в своем блоге в Живом Журнале рассказал о том, что руководство музея получило письмо от патриарха Алексия II с просьбой "отпустить" икону преподобного Андрея Рублева "Троица" на праздничные богослужения в Троице-Сергиеву Лавру. (Lenta.ru)

«Для тех, кто не понимает, о чем именно идет речь, – поясню. Речь идет о произведении со сложной исторической судьбой и сложным состоянием сохранности. О произведении, которое уже пережило несколько варварских поновлений и реставраций. О расходящихся досках, которые невозможно окончательно скрепить, не вызвав еще более серьезных разрушений. О разновременных красочных слоях, которые будут по-разному реагировать на изменения температуры и влажности – и, соответственно, раздирать то, что более или менее скрепилось друг с другом.

О произведении, сохранить которое на более или менее длительное время можно только одним способом — НЕ ТРОГАТЬ и СОХРАНЯТЬ ПОСТОЯННУЮ ТЕМПЕРАТУРУ И ВЛАЖНОСТЬ. Которое при этом — так уж исторически сложилось — является самым знаменитым памятником русского искусства и самым употребительным символом русской духовной культуры.

И если мы, беспрекословно повинуясь чьему-то идиотскому капризу, повезем эту икону за семьдесят километров туда и обратно, поместим в тесном соборе, где горят сотни свечей и где толпы благочестивых паломников кинуться к ней «прикладываться», гарантий ее сохранности никто дать не сможет. Никаких. В чем предполагаемый создатель «чудо-ящика» (представитель завода «ЯЩИКСТРОЙ») признался честно и нелицемерно всей потрясенной научной общественности.»


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[info]saramicina
2008-11-19 06:16 pm UTC (link)
и что нужно сделать, что бы "защитить "Троицу"?

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[info]arbat
2008-11-19 06:42 pm UTC (link)
Я, ребята, совсем не понимаю, что вы там защишаете. Рублев написал икону для Троице-Сергиева монастыря. По их заказу. Она по праву принадлежит монастырю. Монастырь имеет все основания требовать возврата не на время, а вообще навсегда.

Если кто хочет помочь ее сохранению, - всегда может пожертвовать монастырю деньги на создание разумных условий хранения. Я уверен, монастырь их благодарно примет.

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[info]baskavacan
2008-11-19 06:17 pm UTC (link)
и все, видимо, должны ужаснуться тупости православных иерархов? А интересно, что мешает соорудить защитный бокс и в нем перевезти и продемонстрировать "Троицу" в Сергиевом-Посаде?

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[info]drugoi
2008-11-19 06:21 pm UTC (link)
по-моему, в процитированном отрывке достаточно ясно написано про "чудо-ящик". или вы только картинку увидели?

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The Beast: Бокс не панацея. - [info]divov, 2008-11-19 07:34 pm UTC (Expand)

[info]pero_arhangela
2008-11-19 06:17 pm UTC (link)
спасибо, Рустем. это очень важно!

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[info]odalizka
2008-11-19 06:19 pm UTC (link)
караул.
пусть служат в Третьяковке, чего уж там.
Господи, вразуми его, что тут еще скажешь.
а что мы можем сделать, кроме перепоста?

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[info]drugoi
2008-11-19 06:22 pm UTC (link)
пока не знаю, посмотрим.

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[info]kilotraktor
2008-11-19 06:20 pm UTC (link)
классические межкорпоративные разборки с выплёскиванием яда в сми...

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[info]gem_in_i
2008-11-19 07:03 pm UTC (link)
Третьяковка - корпорация? Может, еще график прироста культурной ценности нарисуете? Так вот ты какой, офисный планктон.

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[info]miss_flirty
2008-11-19 06:27 pm UTC (link)
Ндя. Будем надеяться, что икону не тронут.

:(

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[info]fetzen_
2008-11-19 06:28 pm UTC (link)
в Киеве у иерархов УПЦ МП такой же подход к Кирилловской церкви, памятнику архитектуры 12 века...
музейные работники делают всё, что могут.

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[info]zellily
2008-11-19 06:30 pm UTC (link)
А ничего, пусть уничтожают. А то еще натравят верующих на хранителей Третьяковки.

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[info]slavka
2008-11-19 06:32 pm UTC (link)
Думаю, что большинство представителей РПЦ, понимают, что «Троицу» надо сохранить – хотя бы для следующего поколения (за исключением особо бессовестных и отвязных «идеологов», которые любят повторять, что она «сохранит себя сама»).
дык может, пусть тогда она и перенесет себя сама?

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[info]gambo
2008-11-19 06:50 pm UTC (link)
:)))

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[info]marrrysya
2008-11-19 06:32 pm UTC (link)
>письмо ... с просьбой "отпустить" икону
Из-за чего такой переполох? Ее же рейдеры из Третьяковки не выносят, правильно? Ну, объяснили, почему нельзя этого делать. Ответа пока нет. Почему столько эмоций?

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[info]yarowind
2008-11-19 06:38 pm UTC (link)
Дело в том, что для музейщиков это всего лишь произведение древнерусской живописи, а для верующих - Образ.
А уж фраза насчет ''идиотского каприза'' и вовсе не красит.

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[info]nekrasoffs
2008-11-19 06:45 pm UTC (link)
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[info]vasiliev3_me
2008-11-19 06:40 pm UTC (link)
Самые большие противники переноса в инете атеисты. Им то какое дело?

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[info]sergelin
2008-11-19 06:49 pm UTC (link)
А кто если не мы?

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[info]neuraum
2008-11-19 06:41 pm UTC (link)
Я хоть и атеист, но не являюсь воинственным антиклерикалом, и поэтому вполне могу себе представить использование "Троицы" в тех целях, для которых она была создана - как украшение храма. Рублев ведь творил иконы не для истории русского искусства и не для потомков, во всяком случае уж точно не для таких отдаленных. Уверен, что можно было поставить условия и найти решение с бережным перемещением и вывешиванием иконы, не рискуя ее сохранностью. Вместо этого сразу была запущена машина возмущения.

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[info]drugoi
2008-11-19 06:47 pm UTC (link)
угу, вернуть Тутанхамона на место!

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[info]m00nray
2008-11-19 06:42 pm UTC (link)
Живу всю жизнь в Сергиевом Посаде... но до Третьяковки доехать могу... :)

У нас много икон, у нас замечательная Лавра, но я не считаю правильным подвергать РЕЛИКВИЮ риску...

Лучше просто приезжайте к нам посмотреть на наши РЕЛИКВИИ, а мы приедем к вам - посмотреть на ваши :)

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[info]th3
2008-11-19 06:48 pm UTC (link)
Так Троица-то ваше реликвия. её у вас просто отняли. И не так уж давно.
И ваши музейщики этим в свое время очень возмущались. Взяли на реставрацию в Москву. И не вернули.

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[info]shunara
2008-11-19 06:43 pm UTC (link)
то есть, пришли, забрали у священиков икону, а теперь рассказывают что тупым попам к ней и подходить нельзя? Интересная логика. А пусть теперь этот приципиальный защитник культурных ценностей пойдет в Кремль и скажет тамошним быстренько выметаться из памятника архитектуры?

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[info]a_nikolsky
2008-11-19 06:56 pm UTC (link)
Вот со второй частью высказывания, то совершенно согласен, памятники должны быть памятниками а не рабочими кабинетами- вон москва-сити возводиться - туда и переселить. Что же касается забрали у священников- вопрос сложный. Не было бы музеев, ее в лучшем случае продали бы в штаты, а в худшем печку бы протопили.

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[info]fresh___wind
2008-11-19 06:44 pm UTC (link)
Разница в том, что один смотрит на данную икону, как на достояние русского искусства, а другой, как на святыню. "Чьему-то идиотскому капризу", "толпы благочестивых паломников кинуться к ней «прикладываться»" - уважения автор после таких словоизлияний не вызывает. Если уж нет уважения к людям, так пусть хотя бы уважает желание людей прикоснуться к данной святыне, которая, если уж угодно Богу и в очень хороших условиях может завтра "погибнуть".

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[info]_steppenwolf
2008-11-19 06:49 pm UTC (link)
Это эгоистичные люди, они хотят потрогать сами, а другие люди потом даже посмотреть не смогут, это называется не "приложиться" к иконе, а её разорвать, и то не люди, а волки, ищущие наживы.

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один смотрит на данную икону, как на достояние русског - [info]kniga_bukv, 2008-11-20 10:17 am UTC (Expand)

[info]omkh
2008-11-19 06:45 pm UTC (link)
Вот интересно, а стал бы Андрей Рублев возражать против в участия иконы в богослужении?

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[info]a_nikolsky
2008-11-19 06:51 pm UTC (link)
вопрос не в этом, просто если мы хотим чтобы то, что могли увидеть мы в детстве, могли увидеть хотя бы наши внуки.

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если вам так понятней: - [info]omkh, 2008-11-19 07:26 pm UTC (Expand)
Re: если вам так понятней: - [info]jenyay, 2008-11-19 07:33 pm UTC (Expand)

[info]a_nikolsky
2008-11-19 06:46 pm UTC (link)
Попы уже и так отобрали то, что музейные работники сохранили во время гонений не сказав даже спасибо ( примеров куча - центр реставрации грабаря, сретенский монастырь, рождественский монастырь, Звенигород савва сторожевский монастырь, Владимир - софийский собор и т д. В Звенигороде есть небольшая церковь на горе, над москвой-рекой. лет 15 назад там как раз расчистили фрески предположительно Андрея Рублева или его школы. Как вы думаете в каком они сейчас состояниии.... их нет, практически нет. На эту тему можно писать очень долго, но увы безрезультатно.

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[info]a_nikolsky
2008-11-19 06:49 pm UTC (link)
Пока власть, ( в частности первые лица) не отделиться от церкви, а патриарха не перестанут охранять как чиновника класса "А" ничего изменить невозможно.
А не даст третьяковка - так пожалуются премьер министру.

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[info]_steppenwolf
2008-11-19 06:47 pm UTC (link)
Надо отдать патриарху Алексию икону: если предводитель русско-православных считает что надо убивать русско-православную культуру, так пусть так и будет, ничего другого тогда такая культура не заслуживает. Предки их нарисовали этот шедевр, но воспитать потомков эти предки и их культура не смогли, так пусть эта культура смоется в грязь, где уже давно находятся многие её представители.

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[info]kry1ova
2008-11-19 09:54 pm UTC (link)
самое обидное в том, что патриарх и ведомое им стадо снимают с себя всю ответственность за последствия - бог икону и так сохранит, если ему угодно. это разные способы мышления.

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[info]ediblesnail
2008-11-19 06:47 pm UTC (link)
А икона эта прекрасна. Сберечь бы ее.

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[info]sergelin
2008-11-19 06:47 pm UTC (link)
Церковники в этой стране - богомерзкие сволочи, давно понятно.
Ради сиюминутной выгоды готовы пожертвовать своей же святыней.

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[info]maximkalinov
2008-11-19 06:50 pm UTC (link)
можно перед иконой в музее постваить видеокамеру, и трансляцию пустить на жк-телевизор в храме - к нему пусть и прикладываются

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[info]victorsolkin
2008-11-19 09:49 pm UTC (link)
+100

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[info]kare_l
2008-11-19 06:57 pm UTC (link)
Хорошо бы было, если старший научный сотрудник отдела древнерусского искусства Государственной Третьяковской галереи Левон Нерсесян после такого своего заявления был бы немедленно уволен со своего поста. С позором.
К сожалению этого не произойдёт.

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[info]fresh___wind
2008-11-19 07:00 pm UTC (link)
+1

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А за то. - [info]avis_avis, 2008-11-20 07:41 am UTC (Expand)
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[info]zajats
2008-11-19 06:59 pm UTC (link)
От Троице-Сергиевой Лавры до Третьяковки, видимо, многие тысячи верст непроходимых лесов и болот. Иначе как верующий увидит "Троицу"? Да и вообще, конешно, к чему верующим ходить по музэям и выставочным залам - ну его, это пустое бесовское занятье. Молиться и каяться надо в храме. Ну и икону верните, коммунисты недобитые.

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[info]doppeltes
2008-11-19 07:00 pm UTC (link)
Что им мешает копию нарисовать, осветить и повесить в храме? Как копию храма Христа-спасителя зафигачить - так они рады, а как копию иконы сделать - так им слабо.

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[info]zajats
2008-11-19 07:17 pm UTC (link)
Экономически невыгодное предприятие: то храм, а то икона.

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