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Про форму смирения


Только, вроде бы, закончили говорить о дорогом «брегете» патриарха, как, на тебе, тема вновь всплыла в интервью, которое сегодня корреспондент Интерфакса взял у протодиакона Кураева.

Профессор Московской духовной академии Андрей Кураев усомнился в том, что патриарх вообще знает, что у него за часы, дорогие они или нет. Патриарх, по словам Кураева, по магазинам не ходит и быт его обставлен подаренными ему предметами. "Вполне может быть, что эти часы были подарены патриарху кем-то из президентов тех десятков стран, на территории которых наша Церковь осуществляет свою пастырскую деятельность", - предположил отец Андрей в своем интервью. Кураев считает, что Кирилл следует примеру праведного Иоанна Кронштадского, который боялся обидеть людей, делавших ему дорогие подарки, и пользовался их дарами. В заключение Кураев добавил, что «это тоже форма смирения: пользоваться тем, что дают тебе люди и Церковь, но при этом сердцем не прикипая к этим вещам».

P.S. Я аж прослезился от умиления, право слово. Т.е. пастырю в стране, где его паства с трудом сводит концы с концами, носить часы за 35 000 евро — это форма смирения. Хорошо устроились, ребята!

P.P.S. Господь в законе предупреждал: "Даров не принимай; ибо дары слепых не делают зрячих и превращают дело правых" (Исх. 23:8). Повторяя закон, Моисей еще раз возвращается к этому вопросу: "Не извращай закона, не смотри на лица и не бери даров: ибо дары ослепляют глаза мудрых и превращают дело правых. Правды, правды ищи, дабы ты был жив и овладел землею, которую Господь, Бог твой, дает тебе." (Втор. 16:19-20)

P.P.P.S. Про сербского патриарха Павла


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[info]lilofeia
2009-08-07 07:52 am UTC (link)
А я рыдала в голос. Святая простота: не ведал он что творил....
Интересно, в Патриархии нет лимита на стоимость преподносимых "подарков".

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[info]salamalekum
2009-08-07 08:00 am UTC (link)
Нет. Это же не госструктура.

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[info]ma_lin_a
2009-08-07 07:53 am UTC (link)
Так я оказывается смиренна :))

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[info]starodub_ua
2009-08-07 08:30 am UTC (link)
А в гостях на украинськом телеканале Патриарх сказал : "Процессу потребления нет предела. Можно купить один самолёт, другой, третий. Но что это значит по отношению к обществу? Земля не способна выдержать такой проект. А значит, поддерживать его – грех. Бог просто не дал нам таких ресурсов. Потому очень важно научиться христианской аскезе – победе над своими страстями, инстинктами».

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[info]goran_iovich
2009-08-07 07:54 am UTC (link)
вполне христианская позиция... что тут такого

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[info]utflytter
2009-08-07 07:57 am UTC (link)
христианская позиция это как-то вот так:"Даров не принимай; ибо дары слепых не делают зрячих и превращают дело правых" (Исх. 23:8)

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по-христиански было бы часы продать - [info]urobor0s, 2009-08-07 09:23 am UTC (Expand)

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[info]p_a_d_l_a_
2009-08-07 07:54 am UTC (link)
эти "святоши" при желании и Чикатило оправдают.

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[info]ivangovno
2009-08-07 08:31 am UTC (link)
А что поделать?

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[info]bleizilla
2009-08-07 07:54 am UTC (link)
и что теперь ему сделать? выбросить, и облачиться в рубище?

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[info]ducjarubakina
2009-08-07 07:59 am UTC (link)
Обернуть дары в пользу нищих храмов, например.

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Обернуть дары в пользу нищих храмов, например - [info]vlagrom, 2009-08-09 12:39 pm UTC (Expand)
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[info]afepucmka
2009-08-07 07:55 am UTC (link)
Скорее всего так и есть. ))

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[info]komart
2009-08-07 11:14 am UTC (link)

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[info]earendil1977
2009-08-07 07:55 am UTC (link)
ну да ну да..... тогда б ближе к народу бы, на метро бы добирался......

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[info]timbes5
2009-08-07 08:44 am UTC (link)
Да, да, на собственном метро)) Для Патриарха ничего не жалко:)

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[info]ffsaschagff
2009-08-07 07:55 am UTC (link)
Какой у нас бедный глава правления ГУП РПЦ Патриарх

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[info]moscoww
2009-08-07 09:34 pm UTC (link)
... и ебалом на Япончика похож. Мож один и тот же?

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[info]crash_2k6
2009-08-07 07:55 am UTC (link)
Может флешмоб?
завалим патриарха дешевым китайским ширпотребом!

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[info]ffsaschagff
2009-08-07 07:58 am UTC (link)
Яб поддержал.

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(no subject) - [info]nikotin, 2009-08-07 09:02 am UTC (Expand)
Я аж прослезился от умиления, право слово.
[info]plasmastik
2009-08-07 07:55 am UTC (link)
+1

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[info]paulsb
2009-08-07 07:55 am UTC (link)
Сладкими речами выстелена дорога сами знаете куда.

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[info]cocotte_anel
2009-08-07 08:41 am UTC (link)
В синагогу?!О_о

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[info]dumak
2009-08-07 07:56 am UTC (link)
По этой логике Пэрис Хилтон и Ксюша Собчак должны быть причислены к лику святых немедленно.

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[info]lemantar
2009-08-07 08:57 am UTC (link)
жжош!

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Адвокат
[info]makdone
2009-08-07 07:56 am UTC (link)
Ну право,отмазал.

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Re: Адвокат
[info]drugoi
2009-08-07 08:03 am UTC (link)
да, лучше было помолчать.

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Re: Адвокат - [info]denismaximenko, 2009-08-07 11:41 pm UTC (Expand)

[info]ducjarubakina
2009-08-07 07:57 am UTC (link)
Кураев считает, что Кирилл следует примеру праведного Ионна Кронштадского, который боялся обидеть людей, делавших ему дорогие подарки, и пользовался их дарами.

Рыдаю. А в остальном, кроме этого, чьему примеру он следует, интересно? Или тоже чудотворец и великий молитвенник? Впрочем, раскрутка "знамений" (птицы в моторе, громы/молнии и протчая) идет полным ходом.
Продолжаю рыдать.

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[info]khokholkin
2009-08-07 07:57 am UTC (link)
люди православные
скажите своему несведущему пастырю
сколько котлы его стоят

пусть на них храм построит
или два

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[info]kozharik
2009-08-07 08:00 am UTC (link)
хватит только на стеклопакет на пару окон. недорогие часы- ширпотреб.

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[info]stvlad
2009-08-07 07:57 am UTC (link)
хватит срать на православие!!!

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[info]paulsb
2009-08-07 08:00 am UTC (link)
оно там осталось?

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[info]barabakaa
2009-08-07 07:59 am UTC (link)
По себе людей не судят

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[info]moscoww
2009-08-07 09:38 pm UTC (link)
к чему это?

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[info]dimensionstudio
2009-08-07 07:59 am UTC (link)
Зачем обсуждать чужое богатство? Зависть, знаете ли, дурное чувство.

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[info]anastassia_jm
2009-08-07 08:17 am UTC (link)
Когда у чиновников на руках, на ногах, под задницей, на счетах, появляется чужое богатство это называется коррупцией. Там надо не завидовать, а бить во все колокола, в набат. Но церковник это не госчиновник.

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коррупция? - [info]jillain, 2009-08-09 04:52 am UTC (Expand)
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[info]vsjo_taki
2009-08-07 08:00 am UTC (link)
Даже если приять версию господина Кураева правдивой, то:

Это может быть формой смирения для отшельника-пустынника, но не для священника, действующего среди людей.

Для человека, принимающего решения в отношении церкви, это не форма смирения, а форма оторванности от реальности.

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[info]iperegorodiev
2009-08-07 09:44 am UTC (link)
патриарх Кирилл - монах.

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[info]mentbuster
2009-08-07 08:00 am UTC (link)
"Бойтесь верующих, ибо их боги все им прощают"

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[info]mjjiia
2009-08-07 08:21 am UTC (link)
Здорово сказано! Не подскажете автора цитаты? Буду использовать.

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[info]varera
2009-08-07 08:00 am UTC (link)
все бы вам над святым смеяться, нечестивцы!!!

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[info]jurassic_up
2009-08-07 11:12 am UTC (link)
Кто святой? Тот что часами поблескивает. Он их сам себе купил, ибо куда еще тратить те деньги, что он заработал еще в 1995 на контрабанде алкоголя и сигарет. Каялся он после, каялся.

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[info]rakty
2009-08-07 08:00 am UTC (link)
Святейший Господин и Отец наш смирено и кротко всё берёт не думая о цене и происхождения вещей.
Такой вот он простой и кроткий Патриарх всея КГБ.

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[info]rulezzzzzz
2009-08-07 08:01 am UTC (link)
Сергиев-посад - кладезь этого самого "смирения". Там даже рядовые попы и дьяконы ездят на каенах и брабусах... я тоже хочу "не прикипать" к мазератти, квартире на тверской и дому в Ницце... ох как бы я там не прикипал бы )))))

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[info]rusl
2009-08-07 08:26 am UTC (link)
::))))

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[info]l_torchik_l
2009-08-07 08:01 am UTC (link)
а у него еще лимузин хорошо и сцук дорогой.
не Ваз 2107 для смирения.

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из интервью
[info]kartuz_a
2009-08-07 08:01 am UTC (link)
А в гостях на украинськом телеканале Патриарх сказал : "Процессу потребления нет предела. Можно купить один самолёт, другой, третий. Но что это значит по отношению к обществу? Земля не способна выдержать такой проект. А значит, поддерживать его – грех. Бог просто не дал нам таких ресурсов. Потому очень важно научиться христианской аскезе – победе над своими страстями, инстинктами».

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Re: из интервью
[info]skovalyov
2009-08-07 08:20 am UTC (link)
Так это всё для православного планктона, а повелители секты не для того делали церковную карьеру, чтобы сухарями питаться.

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