drugoi: Повстанческая каша

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@ 2009-10-12 10:51:00

Повстанческая каша

© REUTERS/Виталий Грабарь

11.10.2009, Украина | Вчера во Львове состоялся т.н. Марш славы Украинской повстанческой армии (УПА), устроенный несколькими общественными организациями и Львовским горсоветом в честь 67-годовщины со дня создания УПА. В сопровождении военного оркестра молодые люди в форме и несколько ветеранов прошли от Таможенной площади до проспекта Свободы. На привале участники угостились «Повстанческой кашей» из полевой кухни, а потом в городском парке «Ореховый гай» приняли участие в театрализованном действии «Повстанцы из прошлого», воспроизводящем бой отряда УПА против подразделения вермахта.

© REUTERS/Виталий Грабарь

P.S. Интересно, почему так скромно — бой против подразделения вермахта? Можно было, например, воспроизвести этнические чистки поляков — например, совместное уничтожение воинами УПА и эсэсовцами польского села Гута Пеняцка в феврале 1944 г. (сожжено 172 дома и убиты 1000 жителей). А как насчет реконструкции какого-нибудь диверсионного акта? В том же 1944 г. бандеровцы любили грабить советские воинские колонны с имуществом, пускать под откос санитарные поезда, идущие с фронта. Устроили бы театрализованный бой с охраной генерала Ватутина, в результате которого боевой генерал получил смертельное ранение. Да и тему с массовыми убийствами евреев "Укранским легионом" тоже можно было подать красочно и достоверно — чего теперь стесняться-то?

Вообще говоря, эта националистическая постсоветская отрыжка на Украине ничего, кроме омерзения, не вызывает.

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	vava_design 2009-10-12 06:53 am UTC (link)
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	steady_man 2009-10-12 07:01 am UTC (link)
	Но чем меньше обращать на них внимания, тем лучше... (Reply to this) (Parent)(Thread)(Expand)

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Танками их давить надо бы! -

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	_intra_ 2009-10-12 06:55 am UTC (link)
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задолбала эта политическая грызня

cfcs
2009-10-12 07:19 am UTC (link)

у каждого своя правда, что толку грызть друг-друга...
можно подумать что в нашей истории все чинно и правильно.
ничего вон сталина почитать стали и ни чего что прям у МКАДа десятки тысяч людей просто так, для статистики, расстреливали.
у них своя правда, для них советский союз был злом и они с ним боролись, вот и все.

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	liksv 2009-10-12 06:57 am UTC (link)
	да пускай ходят, чем еще в кризис заниматься? (Reply to this) (Thread)

steady_man
2009-10-12 07:06 am UTC (link)

Верно. Только вот недавно рассказали украинцы историю, как приехал сын с Украины на Урал к отцу, а тот его вытурил обратно. Типа ты теперь в украинской армии служишь (сын военный и где после распада Союза оказался, там и осел), так нечего тебе тут, в России делать... Вот что страшно на самом деле!

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	двойные стандарты czalex 2009-10-12 06:57 am UTC (link)
	Советские партизаны в Беларуси тоже поезда (немецкие) под откос пускали - и ничего. Красная армия тоже немало невинных людей поуничтожала - и тоже ничего-с, маршируют-с (Reply to this) (Thread)(Expand)

	Re: двойные стандарты ur_sa 2009-10-12 06:58 am UTC (link)
	присоединяюсь! у вас, рустем, весьма глупый пост. почитайте историю, сравните, и не пишите, вообще в пердмете не разбираясь (Reply to this) (Parent)(Thread)(Expand)

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	mr_brightside78 2009-10-12 06:57 am UTC (link)
	На верхнем фото - телогрейка и немецкая кепка. Контраст. (Reply to this) (Thread)(Expand)

	timbes5 2009-10-12 07:49 am UTC (link)
	А Другой - мудак куда больше, чем я думал. (Reply to this) (Parent)(Thread)(Expand)

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	nordius_gtea 2009-10-12 06:57 am UTC (link)
	веселое занятьеце (Reply to this) (Thread)

	starodub_ua 2009-10-12 07:38 am UTC (link)
	Рустем извените но - херню написали. Не ождал от Вас. (Reply to this) (Parent)(Thread)(Expand)

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	fucktor2 2009-10-12 06:57 am UTC (link)
	Гениальность данного блога - в отсутствии комментария автора фотографий к оным. Зачем что-то менять? (Reply to this) (Thread)(Expand)

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	каша в головах (Reply to this) (Thread)

	algarkavy 2009-10-12 07:26 am UTC (link)
	У Другого? УПА и СС "Галичина" различаем? Это выглядит как если бы вашего деда обвиняли в сотрудничестве с нацистами потому что была РОА (Reply to this) (Parent)(Thread)(Expand)

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	savanter 2009-10-12 06:58 am UTC (link)
	Для них коммунисты были такими же оккупантами как и фашисты. Постарайтесь это понять. (Reply to this) (Thread)(Expand)

drugoi
2009-10-12 07:00 am UTC (link)

«Так из группы 15 человек направленных в один из районных центров Ровенской области для восстановления народного хозяйства удалось спастись лишь одному — 14 остальных были расстреляны а над трупами надругались — у одного из мужчин отрезали голову, а у женщины лицо и ноги. В течение 1944-45 во Львовской области было убито 16 учителей, в Волынской — 16, в Тернопольской — 127. В Ровенской области сожжено и уничтожено 50 школ, в Тернопольской 50 клубов и хат читален.»

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kramskoy
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Вызывает и ещё кое-что. Ведь по своей сути их не волнует историческая реальность. Им важно, чтобы против Советов. А под Советами автоматом видится Москва и москали. И из этой молодёжи вырастут тамошние "нашисты". Каковы последствия этого будут, вот это тема.

А глаза-то ведь человеческие.

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	paveln 2009-10-12 07:00 am UTC (link)
	Вы так и не поняли, что для них что советы что фашисты. Для Вас советы это "свои". (Reply to this) (Parent)(Thread)(Expand)

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	dimazaur 2009-10-12 06:59 am UTC (link)
	почему бы вам не воссоздать расстрел польских офицеров нквдешниками? было бы так здорово! (Reply to this) (Thread)(Expand)

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	paveln 2009-10-12 06:59 am UTC (link)
	Вах, как совком потянуло. Все советский штампы и стереотипы выдал. Осталось только назвать всех врагами народа. (Reply to this) (Thread)(Expand)

	off_topus 2009-10-12 07:02 am UTC (link)
	Вам то откуда знать, что такое "совок", "советские штампы и стереотипы". В школе рассказали? Ню-Ню (Reply to this) (Parent)(Thread)(Expand)

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debesha
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Интересно, почему так в подмосковье так скромно воспроизводят бой за Москву? Можно было, например, воспроизвести чистки поляков — Катынь, например. А как насчет реконструкции каких-нибудь заградотрядов?

Вообще говоря, эта милитаристская постсоветская отрыжка в России ничего, кроме омерзения, не вызывает.

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	linkod 2009-10-12 07:05 am UTC (link)
	да надо было бы не только "воспроизвести" расстрел "польских офицеров" но и повторить добавив "бойцов" УПА (Reply to this) (Parent)

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После вашего P.S. к вашему блогу не просто потерялся интерес, а появилось небольшое чувство омерзения. Думаю в своей стране мы сами разберемся кого почитать.

Вы расскажите в своем блоге как в Польше относятся к Александру Суворову, который вырезал и женщин и детей. Для вас это герой. Потому каждый в своей стране разберется со своей историей сам - не вам жителю другой страны решать это. Украина вашей истории выводов не делает.

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	drugoi 2009-10-12 07:03 am UTC (link)
	я ничего не решаю, я высказываю свое мнение у себя в блоге. вам решать — читать его или нет. я сюда никого насильно не тяну. не нравится — скатертью дорога. (Reply to this) (Parent)(Thread)(Expand)

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	cyxymu 2009-10-12 07:00 am UTC (link)
	вот щас тут в комментах начнется бойня.. (не хотел говорить то слово, как это обычно называют) (Reply to this) (Thread)(Expand)

	kromanionez 2009-10-12 07:06 am UTC (link)
	это слово хуже любого мата:)) (Reply to this) (Parent)

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dekarmi
2009-10-12 07:01 am UTC (link)

/Наконец, можно было устроить театрализованный бой с охраной генерала Ватутина, в результате которого боевой генерал получил смертельное ранение. /

Думаю, это для них не проблема. Да и нет здесь ничего такого.. - просто боевые действия. А вот этнические чистки - совсем другой вопрос.

//Можно было, например, воспроизвести этнические чистки поляков — например, совместное уничтожение воинами УПА и эсэсовцами польского села Гута Пеняцка в феврале 1944 г. (сожжено 172 дома и убиты 1000 жителей).//
Поляков вообще было убито десятки тысяч. Но разве уничтожение мирных поляков мешает героизации персонажей для патриотического воспитание молодежи?

"Не уважали козаки чернобровых панянок, белогрудых, светлоликих девиц; у самых алтарей не могли спастись они: зажигал их Тарас вместе с алтарями. Не одни белоснежные руки подымались из огнистого пламени к небесам, сопровождаемые жалкими криками, от которых подвигнулась бы самая сырая земля и степовая трава поникла бы от жалости долу. Но не внимали ничему жестокие козаки и, поднимая копьями с улиц младенцев их, кидали к ним же в пламя. "Это вам, вражьи ляхи, поминки по Остапе!" - приговаривал только Тарас. И такие поминки по Остапе отправлял он в каждом селении"
Н.В. Гоголь "Тарас Бульба"
И ничего, "патриот Святой Руси"

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whitebear
2009-10-12 07:49 am UTC (link)

Да вообще, как можно было из Тараса Бульбы и из Емельки Пугачева ("Капитанская дочка") героев сделать, я вообще не понимаю. Выверты советского воспитания. Я когда-то выпендрился в школе: задали сочинение про образ Пугачева у Пушкина. Ну, я написал не по "Дочке", а по "Истории пугачевского бунта", в которой Пугачев подробно и доказательно описан как сущий монстр. Все равно пару влепили, бляди.

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	garikkab 2009-10-12 07:01 am UTC (link)
	Как то всё это позорно и гадко. (Reply to this) (Thread)

Это так!

olegcheb
2009-10-12 07:38 am UTC (link)

В 1943—44 гг. отряды УПА проводили этнические чистки польского населения на Волыни, Холмщине и в Галиции.[3][4][5].

↑ 1 2 Організація українських націоналістів і Українська повстанська армія. Підсумкова публікація напрацювань робочої групи істориків, створеної при урядовій комісії з вивчення діяльності ОУН і УПА. Інститут історії НАН України. 2004 р.(укр.)
↑ Організація українських націоналістів і Українська повстанська армія. Інститут історії НАН України. 2004р Організація українських націоналістів і Українська повстанська армія, Раздел 5 (укр.)
↑ W.Siemaszko, E.Siemaszko, Ludobójstwo dokonane przez nacjonalistów Ukraińskich na ludności polskiej Wołynia 1939—1945, Warszawa 2000 (польск.)

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	tash_mayfair 2009-10-12 07:02 am UTC (link)
	так пойдите проблюйтесь... ;) (Reply to this) (Thread)

	human_being 2009-10-12 08:51 am UTC (link)
	мда, Другой казался вменяемым человеком, а выдал тупую кремлевскую агитку. решил омерзением поделиться, бедненький? молодец, начальство оценит. (Reply to this) (Parent)(Thread)(Expand)

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	findangel 2009-10-12 07:02 am UTC (link)
	Согласен 100% (Reply to this) (Thread)

qwert_km
2009-10-12 11:44 am UTC (link)

11 мая 1995 года Львовский облсовет принял решение «О статусе ветеранов Украинской повстанческой армии, гарантии их социальной защиты», согласно которому УПА признана воюющей стороной в Великой Отечественной войне, а её ветераны — борцами за свободу и независимость Украины на территории Львовской области

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	Мерзопакостненько (Reply to this) (Thread)

	kromanionez 2009-10-12 07:09 am UTC (link)
	у нас в селе пропал после войны школьник - нарисовал на заборе фашистскую свастику и пропал, а вас за такой аватар йоська бы тоже не помиловал:) (Reply to this) (Parent)(Thread)(Expand)

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monkey00mind
2009-10-12 07:02 am UTC (link)

То что франзузы празднуют день взятия Бастилии это тоже отрыжка? Революционеры тоже много невинных людех погубили за идеологию. Не бывает черно-белой истории, все хороши. Все борются за свою правда всемо возможными способами. И мораль и каждого своя.

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	whitebear 2009-10-12 07:51 am UTC (link)
	"Все хороши" - это тоже изрядный перебор. (Reply to this) (Parent)(Thread)(Expand)

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	odneoko 2009-10-12 07:02 am UTC (link)
	а еще очки надел (Reply to this) (Thread)

!!!!!!!!!! =)

xeon_82
2009-10-12 04:42 pm UTC (link)

эээээх, знатный хохлосрачпсевдоукропатриотов получился, под 2000 комментов! :)

P.S. Оказывается быстро можно мозги засрать "новой правдой", коммунистам вон гораздо больше времени потребовалось, а тут менее чем за 20 лет управились.

Пена, слетающая с губ людей, накинувшихся на Другого, вызывает только смех, причем до слез.

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	raimon71 2009-10-12 07:03 am UTC (link)
	Кое-кому похоже надо перепоказать.... (Reply to this) (Thread)(Expand)

whitebear
2009-10-12 07:53 am UTC (link)

Что перепоказать? Оккупацию 1939 года? Правильно понимаете исторический момент: во Львове к СССР справедливо относятся как к стране-оккупанту. Только перепоказать ничего уже не получится - руки коротки.

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2009-10-12 07:03 am UTC (link)

Странный вопрос. Разумеется реконструируется то, чем гордятся. А может Вы знаете примеры, когда реконструкция действий, например, Красной Армии нашими клубами посвящена неприглядным страницам ее истории?
А повстанческая и патртизанская война обычно необычайно жестоки, и в истории УПА много страшных страниц, тут Вы правы.

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	Эх...) grag_hoppers 2009-10-12 11:22 am UTC (link)
	Юра, ну что вы в самом деле, Другой же тоже человек, у него есть амбиции и самолюбие. Это он только пишет, что его не интересует рейтинг его журнала. (Reply to this) (Parent)

	Два вопроса gold_kaskad 2009-10-12 07:03 am UTC (link)
	Кто вы такой, и зачем взломали этот журнал? (Reply to this) (Thread)(Expand)